Creo Chapter S1EP08: Model-Based Definition (MBD)

00:00 Good day, everyone. My name is Michael E, and today we are going to go through MBD and MBE. The topics are short introduction, what's MBD? What is MBE? Then we're going to talk about the technology stack, how MBD and MBE brings value, how to start your journey doing MBD, and it-- at the end, I actually have some, abbreviation descriptions

00:35 in the ap- appendix to, make it, obvious to everybody what the abbreviation stands for. So with this. So using model-based definition and model-based enterprise, which is, represents a paradigm shift in the product development and manufacturing, moving away from traditional to redrawings and fully digital into fully digital 3D annotated models that serves as the single source of truth

01:09 throughout the product life cycle. Model-based definition and model-based inter-- enterprise are integrated concepts in modern manufacturing and product development. MBD reference to the, the practice of using 3D models embedded with product and manufacturing informations as the sole s- source of truth throughout the product life cycle,

01:41 eliminating the need for 2D drawings. This approach enhances communication, reduces error, streamlines manufacturing processes. On the other hand, MBD-- MBE extends the principle of MBD across the entire enterprise, leveraging the 3D model and its associated data to drive all aspects of the product life cycle, from design through manufacturing to service

02:15 and disposal. Together, MBD and MBE represents a shift towards more integrated, efficient, and data-driven products, development, and manufacturing strategies. Challenges. Missing and misinterpretated informations. The lack of clear and cons-consistent communication channels can lead

02:47 to vital information being overlooked or misunderstood, which causes errors, delays in the product development process. And here I'm referring to the continued use of two D drawings. Lack of traceability. Without a comprehensive digital thread that connects all stages of the product life cycle, it becomes difficult to trace decisions and changes back to their origins,

03:19 potentially leading to confusion and in- inefficiencies. So please get your PLM backbone in order. Duplicated-- duplication of efforts. The absence of, of a single source of truth, such as a fully integrated model-based definition, can result in repeated work, as different departments may inadvertently redo tasks that already has been completed by others.

03:56 By implementing a PLM system and having one, a one CAD strategy, you will avoid this. Relying on physical prototypes and text-based, specifications. Dependencies on physical prototypes for validation and text-based specification for communication can slow down the development process and increase costs as they are less efficient as the digital methods.

04:31 Reduce quality in cross-functional collaboration when a team across different functions lacks, views and product data collaboration will suffer, leading to potential decline in the overall quality and the product development efforts. So, Airbus saw this-- Sorry. Airbus saw this, and they have, estimated that they have

05:06 a seven billion dollar scrap, rate throughout, the, uh-- every year due to 2D drawings and the downstream processes being in, taking the, the wrong decisions based on 2D drawings. So traditionally, before 3D CAD, we had 2D drawings,

05:38 standard formats and pri- primary engineering deliverables. The 2D drawings is also widely regarded as the legal assets and that describes and defines the product. Model-based definition is a new approach or process that is intended to reduce or eliminate resilience of, of 2D drawings using Creo All critical information and values are contained within the 3D model.

06:13 This includes all features, dimensions, tolerances, GD&T notes, and other information. So the backbone for the digital information is the digital thread. The foundation of the digital thread is MBD, and MBD starts in engineering. There's a bi-directional, flow of data going through IT, manufacturing,

06:45 quality, ma- and service, and this bi-directional, stream across teams is what is helping us, be more efficient. So MBD eliminates, process inefficiencies. It limits, the time we spent,

07:16 as the effort of creating 2D drawings is, is not longer there. Eliminates rework and sync of informations as we're utilizing PLM, and we have one single source of truth. It, eliminates the need to track stuff as we, again, sure are using PLM and all, the 3D models have all the informations.

07:46 Eliminates, errors as there are no, 2D drawings flowing around our enterprise with different informations attached. So what is MBD, basically? MBD is a method of annotating 3D CAD models with product man- product manufacturing information, PMI, which includes manufacturing data for building

08:19 and measuring components and assemblies. This approach, creates a single source of truth used downstream in this downstream processes in manufacturing, inspection, and assembly. So, MBD is also referred to as the 3D master, master model, or the model of master.

08:52 MBD improves process efficiency, reduces rework, creates better products with faster time to market, and impacts the bottom line positively. The key goal of MBD is interoperability, ensuring that data is, enabled downstream for automation, collaboration across ecosystems, and fully transparent and traceability, to the authoring model.

09:28 So the, the PMI information that we put on the model, in a drawing we, we could put on, dimensions, tolerances, and surface, informations, for manufacturing, but there's a lot of other information. If we look at the 3D part and the informations, we want to attach product manufacturing information, PMI,

10:03 reference to the non-geometric data included with the 3D CAD model that provides detailed information necessary for manufacturing of the product. PMI encompasses a wide range of data such as geometry, dimensions and tolerances, material specifications, surface finish requirements, weld symbols, build or material, manufacturing quality and assembly instructions,

10:36 general notes, and other metadata that are critical for the manufacturing inspection and quality assurance processes. PMI is used to communicate design intent directly with the 3D model, eliminating need for 2D, traditional 2D drawings, and enabling more streamlined and automated manufacturing workflows.

11:06 This approach supports the digital thread in manufacturing and in-- it is aligning with modern practices as Industry 4.0, facilitating improving, improved efficiency, reducing error, and faster product development cycles. So with Creo, we have a complete MBD solution. In Creo, we have a wide range of,

11:39 3D annotations, which we have been working with and updating for since Creo 4. There are, additional extensions that are needed when you do so. There is Creo GD&T Advisor, which is, able to ensure that your GD&T, annotations are up to standards, industry standards, and then there is the GD&T Advisor Advanced, which reuses

12:13 already 3D annotated models, evaluates them and fixes the 3D, the GD&T, annotations already created in your 3D model. Then there is the EZ Tolerance Analysis, extension, which will be able to help you, improve the tolerance setup in 1D. so and then of course, in Windshield we have Creo View, which makes it possible for,

12:47 for downstream participants to view, 3D data without Creo, being present. Just to make you all aware, throughout this, since Creo 4, this is an overview, short overview of course, of the functionality put into Creo within the annotation setup and the MBD setup.

13:18 So, at the end, Darson will show us what's, what's new in 11, as we have now added tables to the annotations. So MBE stands for model-based enterprise, and goes beyond MBD. This implies all downstream definitions and controls of MBD,

13:51 and relies on the complete data thread which inf- information transfers, throughout the company departments in a PLM system. MBD is s- strategy used by manufacturing where an annotated digital 3D dimensional model of a product, along with the other annotation information, drives the manufacturing process.

14:23 MBE references to the fully integration and collaboration environment found on 3D products, definition details and shared across the enterprise. It enables rapid, seamless and affordable deployment of products from concept to disposal. The core tenet of MBE is that models are used to drive all aspects of the product life cycle, ensuring that data is created once and reused

14:57 throughout the organization in its supply chain. The approach requires computer interoperability, where an MBD-enriched part can be processed directly by downstream applications, such as, PMI specific features will be reused. So in our model and our digital stream,

15:32 digital thread, we will be able to, to co- to tie everything together from concept over engineering, manufacturing, quality control, service optimization and supply chain. PTC has the best-in-class technology and solutions that enable digital transformation within engineering, manufacturing, after service and customer operations.

16:04 In engineering, we can help companies improve the quality, reduce rework, and, expedite new product development and time to market. In manufacturing, we help companies drive efficiency with solutions for driving assets optimization, workforce productivity, quality improvement and accel- accelerated speed to intel- industrialization.

16:39 Aftermarket service, we can help companies to improve technical effectiveness and reduce downtime by enabling remote visibility into assets, reducing technician dispatches, improving technical efficiencies and better service parts management. So core components of the MBD technology stack.

17:15 So technology stack, when you have MBD is, is very important. It's the s- it's the software packages you need to have across your enterprise to utilize all the information and annotations put on the 3D part. The implementation of MBD requires comprehensive technology stack that supports the creation, management, utilization of all the enriched 3D models.

17:47 These technology stacks encompass software tools, standards, and methodologies that collectively enable the effective deployment of MBD practices. 3D CAD software. The foundation of MBD is a robust 3D CAD software that supports advanced modeling capabilities and the integration of product and manufacturing information directly into the 3D model.

18:21 PMI tools are essentials for annotating 3D models with geometry dem- dimensions and tolerances, material specifications, and other critical manufacturing informations. These tools must allow for the semantic annotations of models, ensuring that the data is machine-readable across different platforms. Data exchange, standards to ensure interoperability and seamless data

18:57 exchange between different software tools and systems, adherence to industry standards is crucial. Standards such as STEP AP242 and JT are specially designed to support MBD by facilitating the exchange of 3D models and associated PMI. MBD validation and verification tools for validating and verifying the completeness

19:29 and accuracy of a PMI with 3D models are critical. Software like Capvidia MBD, MPDVidia, and Sigmetrix CTOL Six Sigma provides capabilities to check the integrated, integrity of G- GMT annotations and ensuring compliance with design intent. PLM systems that support MBD can manage and track the life cycle of the 3D model

20:05 from initial design through manufacturing and beyond. These systems, such as PTC Windchill, enable the central m- management of 3D models and associated metadata, facilitating collaboration and data c- consistency across the enterprise. Collaboration and visualization tools enable effective collaboration among stakeholders who may not have access to a specialized CAD tool.

20:41 Tools for viewing and interacting with 3D models are necessary. So- solutions like PTC Creo View allows users to view, mark up, discuss 3D models without the need of a full CAD system. And then, of course, there is training and education resources. The successful implementation of MBD also depends on the availability of training and education source- resources to upskill the workforce.

21:14 Th- this includes formal training programs, online courses, webinars, and comprehensive documentation of best practices for MBD. So how does MBD/MBE bring value? MBD is used in manufacturing industries to seeml- to, streamline the entire product development process, from design through manufacturing

21:48 to inspection, by leveraging the power of 3D models enriched with the nec- necessary product manufacturing information. This approach not only improves efficiency and accuracy, but also fosters innovation and com- competitiveness in the global market. Companies across various sectors, including aerospace, automotive,

22:18 heavy machinery, have reported significant benefits of implementing MBD. And at, at the screen, you will see some of the, some of the examples. So Boeing reported fifty percent reduction of fabrication cost and thirty percent reduction in assembly hours. Toyota documented fifty percent reduction in tooling design and fabrication time.

22:49 Bosch reduced their CMM machine programming by eighty percent, and Bosch reduced the number of engineering change orders by twenty-five percent. Other customers have found a forty percent pr- reduction in the documentation time because they don't need to do drawings any longer. So how does MBD bring value?

23:22 Well, streamlining communication and collaboration. MBD eliminates the need for 2D drawings, which reduces the changes of, miscommunication. With 3D models serving as the master source, stakeholders across the design, manufacturing, and quality assurance teams can collaborate more effectively, effectively reducing the errors and costly rework.

23:57 Enhancing manufacturing processes by eliminating all the product information within the-- by embedding all the product information within the 3D model, MBD facilitates seamless data transfer be- between design and manufacturing. Manufacturing can extract critical information such as geometric tolerances Annotations and material specifis- specifications directly from the model,

24:30 reducing manual entry errors and speeding up production processes. Improving product data re-reusability. MBD ensures that the product data remains intact throughout the life cycle from initial to design to manufacturing and beyond. This data reusability enables faster iterations, design modifications,

25:01 and adaption for different product variants, ultimately saving time and resources. Increasing design efficiency. Engineers can focus more on design intent rather than spending time creating and updating 2D drawings. Changes made to the 3D model automatically updates all associated annotations,

25:31 reducing the chance of discrepancies and ensuring design consistency. Compliance and standard adherence. MBD allows engineers to define indus-industry standards, geometry dim-dimensions, and tolerancing directly on the 3D model. This ensures compliance with global standards, improve-improving interoperability

26:02 with partners and suppliers. Simplifying inspection and quality assurance. Traditional 2D drawings can be challenging to interpret during the inspection process. With MBD inspection, teams can directly access the 3D model and obtain precise information about dimensions and tolerances, resulting in more accuras- accurate

26:33 and efficient quality control processes. Cost reduction and wa-waste minimization. MBD reduces the need for printed 2D drawings and manual data transfers, translating into cost savings and minimized material waste, contributing to more sustainable and eco-friendly product development approach.

27:05 Adapting to advanced manufacturing techniques. MBD is particularly valuable as industries embrace advanced manufacturing techniques like additive manufacturing. The rich information contained in the 3D model can be directly used to control additive manufacturing processes, ensuring accurate and reliable product of complex parts.

27:36 So how do we start our MBD journey? There's some things we need to be aware of, and we need to be aware that our company wants to get rid of drawings. If, if we say that we want to get rid of drawings, this has to be embedded within the top level management.

28:06 So an MBD project cannot be, situated only in, in design by a design engineer. It act-- it has to be a company paradigm shift that is, anchored in the top level management, and only then you will be able to start your MBD journey. When you start your journey,

28:40 I have seen a lot of companies start this journey by explicitly, choosing one part to make this part available with MBD throughout, design, manufacturing, in, service and quality, all the way from idea to a finished product, with all the MBD informations on this one part.

29:12 You can choose one part, Boss chose one product, or you can choose an assembly. The, the only thing you need to do is you have to think end to end, how will this MBD, be, this MBD project run from one end to the other? So designing con, design content, concept design, design,

29:47 design approvals with engineering reviews, all of these steps, and then manufacturing and tools, of course, quality inspection and service, all of these steps have to be involved in the process, meaning that all the different departments has to, to actually be part of this project, and everybody needs to be acting together so that the information put on the 3D part will be usable downstream.

30:21 This is not easy. This is something that will take time. So- We know that MBD has made a difference in aerospace, in automotive, and heavy machinery. We know that MBD will be able to make a difference throughout all our customers,

30:51 but the journey is long. It's not easy, and, basically, it's a change management project. Change management projects involving old engineers and old ways of working is always among the difficult changes a company can do. With this, are there any questions?

31:29 Everybody's completely silent. Hi, Michael. There were plenty of questions, which- Good we're trying to get through in the chat. Yes. Super. So maybe I When, when you take over, and I, I think you should take over now, Dyson, and go through what's new in, in Creo 11 with regards to MBD.

32:01 So if you grab the screen. Thank you. I will look at the chat. Dyson, you need to open your microphone because then I can hear you. Oh, sorry. I was on mute. Sorry. Yeah. Yes. Can you see my screen okay? I, I see your screen. Okay. All good. Perfect. And I hear you now, so that's fine. Oh, good. Thank you. So, here's Creo 11, and the big enhancement is supporting simple tables.

32:34 So I'm gonna show you this, and the way this works is if you jump over to an- annotation and you go to particular combination state, so I've got a torque table combination state. You'll see a new tables option here, and it's pretty straightforward to use. So here, I can say that I want a five by five table, and I can align it with a particular annotation plane, or I can make it flat to screen.

33:04 So in this case, I'll align it with the white, annotation plane, and there we are. So there's our table, and here I can select the entire top row, and I can say that perhaps I want to merge, merge the cells, and then I can give this a color, et cetera, et cetera. Now, in the interest of time, I've actually got some tables which I've loaded from disk.

33:34 You can save tables and use them at a later, at a later date, or in a different model. So here, if I go to quick tables, here are some tables that I've used recently. So perhaps I've got a torque instruction table. Here it is. Okay? And right now it's this table is far too small, so you can scale your tables by holding Shift and dragging that.

34:06 So if you don't hold Shift, it doesn't scale in a linear fashion. It's nonlinear. But if you hold Shift and drag, that's you're scaling this by a linear value. So let's just make this a bit bigger. Okay? And the important thing about, simple tables in Creo 11 is that we do support, semantic information with these tables, which I'll show you in a different model.

34:39 However, we also support hyperlinks. So the way hyperlinks work inside tables is virtually identical to hyperlinks in annotations. So here you can see that I've got two cells, and both of these cells have a hyperlink. Now, just like annotations, these hyperlinks can be a URL or they can be different combination states you have

35:09 in your model. So you can see in this case, this cell is linking to is, is linked to a combination state here. So if I hold Control and click on that cell, we can see that this is actually an external URL, but this cell here, it actually takes me to a combination state. So, you can also create tables which, like this, which are going to be your revision

35:44 tables. So here, you know, I've got one revision here made by Michael, and perhaps, I'm going to add another row here. So perhaps I'm gonna create a new revision, and I can call this B, ECN one zero one five and so forth. I think you get the point here. Now, you can also call out parameters with simple tables.

36:14 So with simple tables, the way you actually call out parameters is identical to the way you call out parameters in annotations. It's just ampersand and the name of the parameter, like I've got here. So if I go into tools, parameters, you can see that I've got all of these different parameters, and if I click on these, you can see that I'm calling out these parameters Now, in this case, I'm actually going to add a security marking table,

36:47 so something that looks like this, and I'm going to make this flat to screen. So here I can say that perhaps board We shouldn't have any borders, so I can take off the borders. I can perhaps fill this cell in with a different color, perhaps red. And, you know, perhaps this is, doesn't look as good as I want it to, so I can change the borders again to just have borders on the outside, something like that.

37:20 And you can also call out symbols as well. Again, similar to how you call out symbols in drawings, just ampersand, name of the symbol in your library, and there we are. So some- something else I want to show you here is the semantic information that we have in simple tables. So here I've got a surface finish specification table. So you can see that each cell has a different legend.

37:52 So, each cell refers to a different surface finish technique. So all these flat walls here, or I should say flat surfaces, these surfaces are going to be milled. And if I do a semantic query on this cell, you can see that we have this semantic information embedded in that cell, and these surfaces are gonna be finished using a milling, process, and these holes are gonna be drilled and so forth.

38:23 So that's one of many examples of where you can utilize simple tables with semantic information. So again, that was just a very quick look at simple tables in Creo 11. I, I do actually have the chat window open on my other moni- monitor here, so I saw a load of questions here, so I'll try to get through these, as quick as I can. Firstly, do we have any on tables in specific?

39:08 Yeah, so when will you add parametric tables like bill of materials tables? So I'm guessing you're referring to tables with repeat regions. That's not something we have right now. This is just simple tables, but that's something the product manager is aware of. So yeah, it's not something we have right now. There is a question that I would like to sort of, discuss. So there's a question, how does digital data, being passed, downstream,

39:39 to downstream teams? And, and this is back to the, the di- the software stack or the digital stack of softwares that you need. So if you have a size, CMM machine, there's Calypso on there, and what Bosch found was that, that, 3D annotations put on the, Creo part would actually go directly to, into the Calypso

40:12 software of the size measuring machine. The size measuring machine would understand, most of it. And so Bosch went from three days of programming the CMM machine to two hours as, Calypso- Wow understands the 3D annotations. So- Yeah so this is, this is one example. And this is actually one, that made, Bosch look at going

40:47 MBE because at the moment, Bosch is MBD all the way through, mean- meaning that they have an overall process of every product line needs to go to MBD. They started with one product, and that was the, the electric screwdriver. They, they made a promise to themselves that that should be the first MBD project all the way through and through, and it was.

41:18 And from this project, they derived all the information and the reductions that they did. And then now they've taken the step of going MBD for Bosch. Yeah. So that was one of the one way that, 3D annotations are being used downstream. Yep. Mm-hmm. So lots of questions. Can you add images and company logos?

41:49 I think I saw that in your- I Yes, I did show that. Yeah. So, yes, so here's a PTC logo. You can. You just need to It's the same way you call out symbols and drawings, just ampersand, name of the symbol in your library, and that's it. So I, I actually think that we should, we should look at the,

42:21 look at the notes in the chat and then sort of try and answer some of them at a later stage as I think we're coming to an end. Okay. So- You're still reading? Yeah. Yeah. There's quite a lot of questions here. Yeah. I see. I see, actually. Does Creo 11 have step A- AP 242 edition two? I th- yeah, Andrea's answered that.

42:51 Thank you, Andrea. So there is a question, GD&T symbols can be added to the table? Yes. Yes. We, yeah, I showed one- Yeah surface finish. Precisely. Yeah. So handling legacy drawings, um- Yeah, that's- converting them to 3D, that's, that's something we need to discuss.

43:22 Yeah, it's something I need to speak with the product manager on. It's, it's not the first time we've had this. It's actually- Right quite a popular request, but yeah, I would need to speak to the product manager to see where we are on that. Um- Yeah so. Is there any workaround for tables in Creo 9? No. Well, I think he, I think this person is referring to tables in MBD rather than drawing. But yeah. Yeah, precisely. Yeah. So, and that was what I meant. So we're not gonna backport tables to Creo 9.

43:57 Is it possible- Darshan, there was a question Sorry, there was a question right at the beginning, about the customer has a different PLM to Windchill, how much of a roadblock this would be. So, and this, this is one of the things that I've seen at some of our customers. So, so the 3D annotations, and I can only speak for Windchill, are being displayed in Windchill as, and will be searchable in Windchill.

44:29 And I know this is not possible in, in other, in other systems. So by, by having Windchill and Creo, together, you, you will have a lot of functionality that, that is automatic and searchable, which you don't have in, if you run other PLM systems. And that's of course a downside, but, yeah.

45:03 We, we are trying, and this is the digital thread that we are trying to support all the efforts of putting 3D annotations on your 3D parts, to be able to be utilized downstream, and this is, You can search them, you can put them in reports, you can, you can When you look at the part in 3D Creo View or PTC Creo View, which is, a Windchill product,

45:34 you will actually be able to evaluate the annotations, interact with them, and, and, make them a part of your change request process. So, so there's a lot of interoperability in this two systems, making sure that people understand, and can utilize, all of the work put into an MBD part downstream.

46:06 So there's a question on MBD and Windchill being searchable. So, um- Yes what you can do in Creo is you can designate, particular G- well, let's just say GD&T annotation, and that annotation So Windchill will create a model item, and those model items will be shown in Windchill. And essentially, there's an additional step if you want to use those annotations in process planning in Windchill. So if you want to use those annotations

46:39 process planning in Windchill, you have to specify those as control characteristics. So typically in a model, because we're not working with drawings here, we only We're, we're working with a minimally annotated model with MBD. So you have your critical control characteristics, which you can designate in Creo, and those will be shown in Windchill, and Windchill actually creates these graphical representations of those annotations, and you can use them to create your inspection process plans, your machining process plans,

47:13 et cetera, et cetera. Then there is a question on, on plastic parts and, and MBD. Basically, you will be able to put MBD on any parts, and I know that, that, making a plastic part, working your way into a plastic mold, is a lot of work.

47:46 And then there's the manufacturing afterwards, of, of the mold. But basically, putting MBD on your plastic part will make it possible for you if you, if you utilize the right work process downstream, to be able to copy those annotations directly into your, 3D mold part or mold, assembly.

48:19 There is, there is a work process. Don't use copy geometry. Don't use, copy surface. You need to use, other stuff. You need to, oh, Darshan, what is The inheritance fe- Inheritance, yeah. Yes. Inheritance. You need to use the inheritance feature to, to utilize, a downstream process.

48:50 Hi, John Hi, John You are on. I can see you. So, can you include 2D regions in the 3D model? Um- I'm not too sure what, what you're referring to here. Can you include 2D regions in the 3D model? If we could get some, get some more information on that question,

49:22 that would be appreciated, sir. D- sorry. Yeah. So- Do you have Yeah So Eric, my friend Eric is, is asking, "Please show, the step out and in functionality." And- And I, I will, say this, that breaking the digital thread is, of course, possible, or somebody Someone would need that downstream, but,

49:56 but trying to keep the digital thread, as much as possible, not exporting into neutral formats like STEP or, or anything else, because it does, it does remove m- some of the information. Dustin, do you have a possibility to see the export, STEP export? I can see your screen, yeah. Yes, so STEP AP242. Here's the export. You just go to save.

50:26 Oh, I don't think I was sharing before, but, just go to STEP options, change that to STEP AP24- 242, and make sure you turn on annotations and which content. So this is the option that will include all of that semantic information. So that's how you export it. Unfortunately, I don't have any CMM software to show you opening that in, opening that in a CMM package, but you would just open this just as a STEP AP24 STEP

50:58 AP242 file, in your CMM machine. And I actually saw one comment, higher up in here that, that somebody tried did this with, Mitutoyos. So another, another CMM machinery, besides ZEISS that actually was able to read this, AP242,

51:31 and they could go from one day to 10 minutes programming the CMM machine, so that's, that's incredible. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Will there be a webinar about GD&T Advisor? I don't think that's planned for Creo Chapters at least, but, there have been webinars on GD&T Advisor held by our partners at, Sigmetrix,

52:05 since GD&T Advisor is Sigmetrix technology. And those are available, for anyone to, to access. So, so the inheritance feature and, and the relations between, parts, So one of the things that, that, we put in 11 is that we, through the inheritance feature now, is able to, inherit

52:41 3D annotations from a locked design part into a manufacturing part. The thing is, and I've seen this when we've tried to, to, sort of talk about the technology stack at Atlas Copco, is that, Capvidia, the MPD viewer that they have made comes in very handy because the MPD viewer from, from Capvidia actually explains,

53:16 when you hover over a 3D annotation, what surfaces or what other features are involved in a specific 3D annotation. And this is useful as you have the engineer with all his knowledge that made the, 3D annotation on the MPD part, and then you have the post manufacturing worker who's completely, out of the loop and, and sees this part for,

53:51 for the first time when, when it hits his desk and, and what he needs to do. So, actually there's, there's a, there's a lot of good information, and there's some softwares you need to add to your work process, your technology stack, to be able to sort of go from end to end, and Capvidia is, as I see it, one of them.

54:21 We're still working, with Atlas Copco to, define this complete process. Yes? Mm-hmm. Is the digital thread valid with 3D PDF export also? So, we can save as a PDF, but it's not based on a template, so it's basically I'm referring to saving as a PDF in Creo. You don't have a template with saving a PDF in Creo, so it's basically what you see is what

54:52 you get. However, we do have a partner which does, a partner which does provide- An add-on, which allows you to save as a 3D PDF with a template. So, I can't quite remember the name of the partner, but yeah, we do have a partner which provides that technology. Creo View is working very well with MBD. Agreed. You've got quite a lot of capability within Creo View. Yeah, even the Enterprise version,

55:23 so Creo View Ent- Enterprise. Sorry, Creo View Express, my bad. Creo View Express does support MBD with semantic information, so you can just save as a PVZ file from Creo, and you can open it in Creo View. And because Creo View Express is free, your suppliers don't need to purchase anything. They can use the free version of Creo View Express to gain an understanding into what the

55:54 semantic information is, what annotations you have, et cetera, et cetera. However, with Creo View MCAD, you do have some additional capabilities such as View State Compare, which allows you to compare between different, with, different versions, and you can compare what annotations have changed, what annotations have been deleted, modified, et cetera, et cetera. Then there is a question which, Atlas Copco division is using MBD,

56:27 and I'm working with the guys in Tierp, and that's, pneumatic tools. They have, they have the, the strategy to go MBD, all the way, so, and, and there, there is actually where we are trying to sort of get the workflows all the way from design intent to end, of manufacturing. And, and that is what we're working

57:00 with at the moment. So you actually have, three different manufacturing parts. When you hit Tierp, you have the, the base or the raw ma- raw parts, then you have, manufacturing on that, then you have the heat-treated part, and after manufacturing on that, and then you have the last where you do your final, manufacturing on. So, yep.

57:34 Okay. So thank you all for participating. I hope this made it, a little more overviewable, and please let us know. This recording, will be available on our website. And thank you. Have a great day.